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  1. Boonton says:

    Go ahead and burn those Bibles, but the Quran … not so much, eh?

    If it makes you feel better, I’d say if we ever allow thousands of Iraqi and Afghani troops to occupy the US we should request they not bring any Qurans with them and if they do they should burn them. Otherwise must the right, both the political and religious right, always stretch so hard to embrace the victimization card? Of all the possible role models they could have taken from the left is Al Sharpton the best they can do?

  2. Mark says:

    My intention was not to “pull the victim card” but to point out hypocrisy inherent the left’s responses to these two similar events. Can you tell me how the non-outrage to burning of Bibles and the outrage to burning of Quran’s by people like yourself demonstrate in a way that does not reflexively cause you to suggest that victimization is motive for my bringing that up.

  3. Boonton says:

    Well for one thing we have a burning of the Quran by a Christian as a direct provokation to Muslims. The outrage has not been by ‘the left’ but by Muslims and by those who see it for what it is, a foolish stunt meant to incite violence and passions while doing nothing for either understanding or even engagement (as I pointed out, the Pastor is not advancing his stated goal of converting Muslims to Christianity, rather he is alienating Muslims or those who may be equilivating between the two religions).

    You would present as the same thing a burning of Bibles by, presumably mostly Christians, not as a challenge or denigration of Christianity but as a necesity to get rid of dangerous material in a war zone. This is a bit like comparing burning a draft card (a gov’t document) during the Vietnam War (to challenge the gov’t’s legitimacy), to a warzone military base being evacuated burning its documents so the enemy doesn’t obtain them.

  4. Mark says:


    The outrage has not been by ‘the left’ …

    I see, the left is supporting the burning? I don’t think that’s right. JA calls people “hate mongering” and “despairs for America” that’s not outrage. Whatever.

  5. Boonton says:

    No the left doesn’t, to my knowledge, support the burning. Nor, to my knowledge, has there been any mass support on the left for Bible burning.

    I don’t really get your charge of double standards, though. It’s not ‘the left’ but more or less everyone sane who has come out against this one nut’s stunt (if you support the burning please actually state that you do now rather than just being coy about it). But while everyone is allowed to oppose the nut’s idea, only the left is obligated to oppose Bible burning that is an entirely different context being done by Christians.

    Look find me a Rabbi or Imam or even an Athiest who is planning a Bible burning to promote conversions away from Christianity and I’ll call the guy a nut and say he’s wrong.

  6. Boonton says:

    As a side note, I’m unaware of any Christian requirements on throwing away Bibles. Yes I’m sure most Christians would say a Bible shouldn’t be purposefully disrespected (don’t use it as toilet paper, say) but there are tens of millions of Bibles printed. Like any other book they get worn, used, soiled and spoiled and I imagine they get thrown away into the garbage or recycling without any complaints from religious leaders. In fact, it’s almost certain that Christian colleges and Churches generate huge amounts of Bibles destined for landfills and incinerators. If the issue then is ‘getting upset’ about the burning of Bibles then it seems the best way to keep Bibles from being burnt is to oppose Christians! Of course the same could be said about the Koran. I recall reading a CNN story about a Muslim who had collected thousands of used Korans and was trying to keep them safe. While I believe Muslims try a bit harder to care for their Koran, I’m sure the same problem happens. At some point Korans have to get thrown away which means Muslim countries end up burning more Korans than nutball preachers will ever do.

    But it takes a willful ignorance here to equate throwing out a book out of necessity with what the Florida preacher wanted to do.