Good morning. Clear and 30 this morning, although it’s expected to warm up nicely.
- An odd search … and an ironic response.
- For the 15th of the Fourth month.
- Geeks and toys.
- Will Mr Carter be appointed Ambassador? And related, on terrorism.
- On where the democratic election has carried the candidates.
- Orthodoxy, the cradle/convert
debatediscussion continues … aided by a quote from Schmemann. - Orthodox “best” blog award … thing.
- Two questions on science and religion.
- Not so dispassionate about the Lenten fast.
- One way to settle a dispute.
- Via Obsidian Wings, a left leaning blog of some repute, this quote caught my eye, “For instance, if evangelical Christians stop hating liberals, then it’s less likely that their cultural resentments will bleed over into economic issues.” … Uhm … do you or anyone you know in the evangelical community “hate liberals”? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. What is he talking about?
- Life imitates fiction, in this case De Niro in Taxi Driver? Are you lookin’ at me?
- On having a son (or child) who is gay.
- Tolkein on race.
- Is it true that “Blacks” disavow MLK and “Whites” embrace him?
- Netflix and criticism.
- Political depravity and autocracy in the land of the Tsars. Who’d of thought it possible?
- Head’n out. Well packed too.
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Uhm … do you or anyone you know in the evangelical community “hate liberals”? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. What is he talking about?
I don’t think I do. Of course, if I knew someone who hated liberals I’d probably want to keep them at arms length anyway.
Thanks for the shout-out.
Uhm … do you or anyone you know in the evangelical community “hate liberals”? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. What is he talking about?
Seriously? How about a certain Reverend Jerry Falwell, who said about 9/11:
You don’t sense any hatred for liberals there?
I think Falwell himself would have disagreed with you:
So evangelicals would be more motivated to vote against Hillary Clinton than they would against Lucifer himself. That must be out of love.
JA,
Look, (a) you don’t “know” Mr Falwell and (b) on your first quote, certainly, I think you and I have a different notion of what the word hate means. I see hate as an emotion running “hot”, riling the emotions and the blood as it were. I don’t get that from this talk, although in person it might have been different. Therefore, as far as your first quote goes I don’t actually understand how you think this is something which might be located as “hate”. So, no I don’t “sense” hatred there.
I have undertaken in the past a long email debate with a gentleman who it turns out was of the opinion that the only reason anyone could have any position against homosexuality was hatred and bigotry. Hatred was the only argument he understood, and counted every statement possible in that light (if you claimed otherwise or state other reasons, they were lies or self-deception).
Are you of that opinion, i.e., that even if no (or extremely few) evangelicals offer they hate liberals, well they are lying or deceiving themselves?
On the second quote, “Ms Clinton” != “liberals”. Hate of a particular individual for their actions, words, or whatever is not the same has hatred of a group. To put it another way, if you hate President Bush that isn’t the same thing as “hating conservatives.”
Do you personally actually know any evangelicals who “hate” liberals?
I think the other side of the coin has more coinage, that is there seem more examples of liberals who hate conservatives … so possibly Mr Publius assertion that conservatives hate liberals is just a reflection of his own hatred toward conservatives and assuming the “Other” is like him.
Or another possibility is that we all see the hatred directed “at us” more than toward the “Other”.
Mark,
I don’t personally know many evangelicals. I guess judging them based on their leaders and the ones who are most vocal on the internet may not be totally fair. I probably conflate them to an extent with the whole right-wing radio phenomenon, which is also probably unfair.
I do think it’s disingenuous to claim that Falwell’s ranting about the feminists and gays and ACLU, etc., doesn’t reflect an underlying hatred. Here’s another Falwell one for you: “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.” Is it really so far-fetched to deduce that he hates (at least a large subset of) liberals?
Or another possibility is that we all see the hatred directed “at us” more than toward the “Other”.
That seems likely.
JA,
Well, that syllogism, if correctly formed, which notes:
ACLU -> Christians
as
American Nazi -> Jews
is I think more about how he thinks the ACLU views Christians not the reverse, unless you think that it necessarily a two way street and that this statement in any ways implicates the Jews with respect to their relationship with the American Nazi party.