Tuesday Highlights

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  1. DebD says:

    Uhm … do you or anyone you know in the evangelical community “hate liberals”? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. What is he talking about?

    I don’t think I do. Of course, if I knew someone who hated liberals I’d probably want to keep them at arms length anyway.

    Thanks for the shout-out.

  2. Uhm … do you or anyone you know in the evangelical community “hate liberals”? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. What is he talking about?

    Seriously? How about a certain Reverend Jerry Falwell, who said about 9/11:

    The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’

    You don’t sense any hatred for liberals there?

    I think Falwell himself would have disagreed with you:

    Nothing will motivate conservative evangelical Christians to vote Republican in the 2008 presidential election more than a Democratic nominee named Hillary Rodham Clinton – not even a run by the devil himself … I certainly hope that Hillary is the candidate. She has $300 million so far. But I hope she’s the candidate. Because nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton. If Lucifer ran, he wouldn’t.

    So evangelicals would be more motivated to vote against Hillary Clinton than they would against Lucifer himself. That must be out of love.

  3. Mark says:

    Look, (a) you don’t “know” Mr Falwell and (b) on your first quote, certainly, I think you and I have a different notion of what the word hate means. I see hate as an emotion running “hot”, riling the emotions and the blood as it were. I don’t get that from this talk, although in person it might have been different. Therefore, as far as your first quote goes I don’t actually understand how you think this is something which might be located as “hate”. So, no I don’t “sense” hatred there.

    I have undertaken in the past a long email debate with a gentleman who it turns out was of the opinion that the only reason anyone could have any position against homosexuality was hatred and bigotry. Hatred was the only argument he understood, and counted every statement possible in that light (if you claimed otherwise or state other reasons, they were lies or self-deception).

    Are you of that opinion, i.e., that even if no (or extremely few) evangelicals offer they hate liberals, well they are lying or deceiving themselves?

    On the second quote, “Ms Clinton” != “liberals”. Hate of a particular individual for their actions, words, or whatever is not the same has hatred of a group. To put it another way, if you hate President Bush that isn’t the same thing as “hating conservatives.”

    Do you personally actually know any evangelicals who “hate” liberals?

    I think the other side of the coin has more coinage, that is there seem more examples of liberals who hate conservatives … so possibly Mr Publius assertion that conservatives hate liberals is just a reflection of his own hatred toward conservatives and assuming the “Other” is like him.

    Or another possibility is that we all see the hatred directed “at us” more than toward the “Other”.

  4. Mark,

    I don’t personally know many evangelicals. I guess judging them based on their leaders and the ones who are most vocal on the internet may not be totally fair. I probably conflate them to an extent with the whole right-wing radio phenomenon, which is also probably unfair.

    I do think it’s disingenuous to claim that Falwell’s ranting about the feminists and gays and ACLU, etc., doesn’t reflect an underlying hatred. Here’s another Falwell one for you: “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.” Is it really so far-fetched to deduce that he hates (at least a large subset of) liberals?

    Or another possibility is that we all see the hatred directed “at us” more than toward the “Other”.

    That seems likely.

  5. Mark says:

    Well, that syllogism, if correctly formed, which notes:

    ACLU -> Christians


    American Nazi -> Jews

    is I think more about how he thinks the ACLU views Christians not the reverse, unless you think that it necessarily a two way street and that this statement in any ways implicates the Jews with respect to their relationship with the American Nazi party.