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God in the World

Well, a fun little debate is going on over at Postiive Liberty. It seems kicked off by a post by Ed Brayton over at his blog Dispatches from the Culture Wars where he writes about separating what he terms the compatibilist and incombatalist views between Science and Religion. That is to ask is it compatible? Can one be a scientist and and person of fatih too. (Obviously a great many believing scientists think that the affirmative is not impossible) Mr Brayton takes some (welll deserving umbrage) over those who assert that anyone might be a scientist and a believer without being intellectually dishonest. Timothy Sandefur then follows with two posts (here and here) in which he takes the position that the compatabilists are not “intellectually honest” and their aguments and rhetoric are a PR ploiy to shut up dissent. Jason Kuznicki wades in with an erudite post wherein he redefines the terms of the debate in terms of “Non-overlapping magisterium” (NOMA) instead of compatabilist and incompatablists, which have other definitions in terms of the free-will/determinist debate. Mr Kuznicki rejects the non-overlappingness of the majesteria as religion makes claims, e.g., God Created , and so forth, while science often makes values/moral judgements. Ultimately he feels that the claims religion make on the structure of the universe are ever reatreating and if you retreat to “fideism” then there is no way of selecting between religions, as they are all just an internal faith choice. My two cents follow below the fold.

Augustine in his Confessions writes in my poor paraphrase that God’s creation praises the Creator in part by man’s understanding of it’s working. That is to say, it seems, that for example in our understanding how Quantum tunneling explains some microwave resonances CO2 molecules, that this unfolding of this subtle mystery is part of a worshipful act. That is, that the CO2 and the student join in worship of the Creator in that aha!, wow moment when understanding of how barriers, tunnelling, and uncertainty join to make just one simple peice in the very big puzzle which is the Universe we cavort within. To Mr Sandefur’s claim that the “NOMA/compabilist” position is just “a big PR campaign” urging science, I’d rebut that Augustine predates this debate by just a few moments and Augustine (and perhaps St Paul as well) do not fear what science might uncover but to the contrary encourage it in the strongest terms. Mr Sandefur’s claim that science and Christianity in particular are “automatically” at loggerheads is patently false. It would seem that while some Christians (incorrectly in my view) fear the march of science and what it might contribute to their understanding of the wonder of the world around them, many notable ones do not. Jurgen Moltemann, I’ve also quoted in the past, while pointing out some of the epistomological limitations of Science as practiced today I think would be counted among the notable and established Christian theologians today who would encourage scientific endeavor.

Mr Kuznicki on the other hand, I’d think, misses the main truth claims about the world on which Christianity rests. It isn’t about evolution, which is adiaphora. Take two Christians one believes in literal Creation, one in evolution. They would both almost certainly recongnize the others faith (unless of course other more central theological issues where at stake). But on the issue of interpretation of Genesis 1, this is certainly not central to the Christian faith. The Chalcedon or Nicean creeds do not recapitulate the Genesis creation account for good reason. At the same time, Christianity is not merely “fideism”. It rests on the historical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth as the culmination of the story of exile and return of a Hebrew people. Faith is not reatreating, but our understanding of the physical universe and the ways in which we can worship via research expanding rapidly in this age of technology.

Alas, as to the particular questiosn of the Creators involvment in evolution, the book is not likely to be closed in my lifetime as the central questions of a hard mathematical prediictive prescription to calculate the probabilities of the likelihood of the development of a given initial feature set to a target feature set is a hard problem which will be long in solving if at all tractable. And in the absence of such a theory the “disproving” the Creator’s involvement in development is mere conjecture just as much as the insistence that He was involved is as well.

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  1. Pseudo-Polymath » Blog Archive » Whacking the Straw Man linked to this post on May 21, 2006

    [...] In the recent discussion on the “opposition” between religion and scientific Mr Sandefur at Positive Liberty finishes the little debate engaged in over the course of few posts. Implicit in their discussion is that religion and science are at odds, which is may be an idea which is confirmed by beliefs in popular culture but isn’t part of my religion or at least my understanding of Christanity. This is, as I imply in my title, a frontal assault on a straw fortress. There is an implicit assumption that religious tradition and scientific enquiry are at odds. That assumption is wrong. I wrote briefly about this here. There, against my argument, I note that there has been a modern luddite/anti-intellectual movement in modern evangelical Christianity, but this First Things some time ago pointed out is in a reversal. In a recent article (which I’m having trouble locating but it was I think in 2004-5) Mark Noll, author of Scandal of the Evangalical Mind noted that of late there have been signs of a reversal of the anti-intellectual roots of the early 20th century American Evangelical movement. My usual response to this straw man argument, ie., that science and religion are a loggerheads, I oft quote Augustine in the Confessions. Today I chanced upon another. A lesser known, but still influential early Christian Father (especially in the Eastern tradition) Evagrius Ponticus. In a translation of Ad Monachos the translater tells us that Evagrius taught that the mind (of man) was meant for knowledge. Of knowledge the highest form of knowing is understanding of the Trinity (bear with me). But the physicki (Greek fonts aren’t going to happen today sorry) lies just under that. Physicki is the contemplation of created things. It is useful to note that this is not observation or enjoyment of the wonders of nature (though it does not exclude that) but primarily is reasons (logoi) with which the Logos has constructed the world, that is Physics. So with Evagrius we find have a 4th century desert monastic writing and teaching that scientific endeavor is among the highest things which one might perform. And Evagrius wasn’t thinking this in a vaccum, he was part of a strong Hellenistic Christian 4th century tradition. [...]



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